I made a pretty bad fold last night. I’m more than a bit embarrassed to post it, and I’ll just ask that those of you not familiar with the sort of game/player described here hold your judgment. I promise you that this isn’t as bad as it looks.
I was playing a particularly nitty $5/$10/$20 game where pretty much everyone except me was quite reluctant to lose whatever they had on the table. Naturally, I’d been leaning on them, especially the player on my right, even harder than usual. I’d also been catching kind of well, so there were a few pots where I actually had the goods but didn’t go to showdown,which probably made me seem even more aggressive than I was.
Villain open limps the CO, I limp behind with As 8h on the Button, SB folds, BB completes, and the straddle checks.
Flop ($80 in pot) Qs 8d 3s. Checks to me, I bet $20, BB calls, straddle folds, CO raises to $80, I call, BB folds. This is a tricky spot because although CO’s line is pretty suspect and I block several of the strongest hands he’s representing, it’s also a kinda odd spot for him to bluff. Then again, the underbet can induce some weird stuff, especially in a player who’s already annoyed. Plus backdoor nut draw!
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Villain #1 opens to $4 from the hijack. His stack is ~$100. Villain #2 calls. His stack is ~$450. The button folds, the SB folds and raises to $12 with Ts Th. Both players call, so it’s $37 in the pot going to flop (no rake).
The flop is 6c-7c-8s. Hero bets $24. HJ shoves for $70 more. CO raises another $100 on top. Hero folds.
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This hand stack sizes are 42k for her and 58k for me. Blinds are 250-500 ante 50
8 way play
Hero is on the button with 10s10h. UTG folds. Villain raises to 1500, folds to Hero, Hero 3 bets to 3700, villain calls.
she checks, hero c-bets 4500, she calls
she checks, hero checks behind
she checks, hero bet $9000…
$5/$10/$20 game with $2500 stacks.
UTG2 opens to $60, gets four calls, I call with 85s in the BB.
Flop A85r (no backdoor for me), checks to the second caller, who bets $170. I call, everyone else folds.
Turn A. We both check.
At this point I’m almost certain he has a bare Ace, and 85 is the absolute worst hand I could have. In fact, my range otherwise consists only of Ax, straights, and flopped sets. In one sense, that makes it an easy bluff with 85, and I shouldn’t even really bet that much as Villain has an easy fold with most Ax (not that he should be betting that on the flop anyway, but this guy would). Then again, LOL at some live player, even a nit (which this guy is) folding trips for one bet on the river. $525 down the drain.
Don’t take the wrong lesson from this. There are plenty of situations where you should be thinking about how you’d play different parts of your range and actively thinking about your best bluffing candidates, using the strength of your range to determine whether you can value bet or what sizing to use, etc. Those are situations where you aren’t sure what your opponent will do with a specific hand, or you aren’t sure what he has. This just wasn’t one of those situations.
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Live Holdem NL Level 1 Blinds 25/50
First hand of the tournament so everyone has 15k in chips
Hero is dealt KsKh
SB posts 25
BB posts 50
(Hero) UTG raise to 150
UTG+1 raise to 325
(Hero) UTG call
Flop (1350): 9s4h6s
(Hero) UTG check
Turn (1350): 4s
SB bets 600
(Hero) UTG call 600
River (2550): Jd
SB bets 1200
(Hero) UTG call 1200
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Thanks for all the comments on What’s Your Play? Suited Gapper In Position, Deep. The very first comment, from Zach, pretty much nailed it:
[E]ven though position is important, and the stacks are deep enough to make 74s less ghastly than if we were 100BBs or shallower, there just aren’t enough reasons to play it. Furthermore, our image is bluffy, and that’s going to make it hard to barrel through this hand if we flop a draw/some equity and miss on the river and have to make a large bet because we either flatted a 4x pre (or 3-bet to even more) and raised or floated the flop and fired the turn. With a stubborn/bluffy image, I’d rather have a hand that wants the call it’s going to get (because our opponents are keen to look us up) instead of one that wants a fold. Sure, the flip side is with deep stacks if we make a well-concealed monster we’ll get paid off huge, but how often will that happen compared to the regrettable number of times we are forced to play into our own image and bluff?
This wouldn’t be much of a thread if Hero did fold, so I imagine there’s going to be a flat here and a float to take advantage of villain’s c-betting tendencies and predictable play from out of position.
Some of my blog comments highlight this point starkly. When the Hero in the hypothetical hand example holds a strong hand and is trying to get value from something marginal, some commenters will argue for a small bet, on the grounds that marginal hands need to be offered good odds in order to call. Others will argue for a large bet, on the grounds that it will look like a bluff.
In a real life situation, you might actually have sufficient evidence to make a good guess about how your opponent will interpret or respond to a specific bet size, and in that case, you certainly should play accordingly. My hypotheticals don’t always offer that kind of evidence, though, which makes clear that many people are just blindly guessing about how their opponents will respond. Even in real life situations, blindly guessing is not the most profitable strategy.
Your AK wants a call, your bluffs want a fold, but what does your range want?
I also realized that I never told you about my last article, which is now a month old. It’s called Making Money With A GTO Strategy, and it, too, is a response to some common objections to a game theoretical approach: