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		By: foucault		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thinkingpoker.net/2009/08/where-is-the-top-of-a-polarized-range/#comment-3872&quot;&gt;Dean&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m open to arguments to the contrary, but I think shoving a Q here is pretty bad on Villain&#039;s part without a very specific dynamic that almost certainly does not exist in this hand. Hero can have better and is never calling with worse, so check-shoving a Q is just a reverse freeroll for Villain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thinkingpoker.net/2009/08/where-is-the-top-of-a-polarized-range/#comment-3872">Dean</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m open to arguments to the contrary, but I think shoving a Q here is pretty bad on Villain&#8217;s part without a very specific dynamic that almost certainly does not exist in this hand. Hero can have better and is never calling with worse, so check-shoving a Q is just a reverse freeroll for Villain.</p>
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		By: foucault		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thinkingpoker.net/2009/08/where-is-the-top-of-a-polarized-range/#comment-3870&quot;&gt;Andrew T.&lt;/a&gt;.

With black Kings, I think betting the turn makes a lot of sense. In that case, there&#039;s a lot to lose by letting a random diamond see the river for free. With the Kd, though, Hero is likely way ahead/way behind. Getting check-raised on the turn sucks because Hero may have 11 outs but he also may have only 2 outs. Combine that with the fact that Hero probably can&#039;t get two streets of value out of his hand anyway, and I&#039;d rather check the turn and bet the river than vice versa.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thinkingpoker.net/2009/08/where-is-the-top-of-a-polarized-range/#comment-3870">Andrew T.</a>.</p>
<p>With black Kings, I think betting the turn makes a lot of sense. In that case, there&#8217;s a lot to lose by letting a random diamond see the river for free. With the Kd, though, Hero is likely way ahead/way behind. Getting check-raised on the turn sucks because Hero may have 11 outs but he also may have only 2 outs. Combine that with the fact that Hero probably can&#8217;t get two streets of value out of his hand anyway, and I&#8217;d rather check the turn and bet the river than vice versa.</p>
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		By: Dean		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t be folding here except against ubernits. Villain will be bluffing here some of the time but mostly I&#039;d expect villain to have Qx here. Yeah sometimes villain will have the last 4 here or even AA,QQ,99 but that&#039;s poker. If you&#039;re going to be folding KK in this spot against LAG you&#039;ll get pounded on relentlessly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t be folding here except against ubernits. Villain will be bluffing here some of the time but mostly I&#8217;d expect villain to have Qx here. Yeah sometimes villain will have the last 4 here or even AA,QQ,99 but that&#8217;s poker. If you&#8217;re going to be folding KK in this spot against LAG you&#8217;ll get pounded on relentlessly.</p>
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		By: Austin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fours full of Kings*]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fours full of Kings*</p>
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		By: Andrew T.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great post as always.

Maybe I&#039;m missing something, but what I can&#039;t get past here is Hero&#039;s check on the turn.  After Villain&#039;s c/c on the flop, Hero has to think he&#039;s looking at a large range, with many of the holdings having him beat.  On the other hand, Hero has the Kd and the board is paired, so he&#039;s got 9 outs to beat a made flush (unless Villain has the Ad).  Don&#039;t you absolutely *have* to bet for info and possibly drive out the Ad draw?

If I had to guess, I&#039;d surmise that Hero was playing scared post-flop.  He&#039;s probably thinking something like this:  &quot;Grr, he called my flop bet.  That&#039;s probably two garbage diamonds, with this guy being a LAG-tard and all.  [turn] Crap, the flush just hit.  He&#039;s going to crack my $(!#&#038; kings with seven-three, I just know it.  Maybe I should bet here and see if I&#039;m beat.  No, wait.  If I do that, he&#039;s just going to bluff-shove back at me even if I do have him beat.  And I won&#039;t know.  So, umm, okay, I&#039;ll check behind.  [river]  Oh, fabulous, crabulous day!  Now I&#039;ll punish him for playing those garbage diamonds....&quot;

It seems to me that the way out of *that* dilemma is to shove the turn, right?  It&#039;s either that or bet and fold.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post as always.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m missing something, but what I can&#8217;t get past here is Hero&#8217;s check on the turn.  After Villain&#8217;s c/c on the flop, Hero has to think he&#8217;s looking at a large range, with many of the holdings having him beat.  On the other hand, Hero has the Kd and the board is paired, so he&#8217;s got 9 outs to beat a made flush (unless Villain has the Ad).  Don&#8217;t you absolutely *have* to bet for info and possibly drive out the Ad draw?</p>
<p>If I had to guess, I&#8217;d surmise that Hero was playing scared post-flop.  He&#8217;s probably thinking something like this:  &#8220;Grr, he called my flop bet.  That&#8217;s probably two garbage diamonds, with this guy being a LAG-tard and all.  [turn] Crap, the flush just hit.  He&#8217;s going to crack my $(!#&amp; kings with seven-three, I just know it.  Maybe I should bet here and see if I&#8217;m beat.  No, wait.  If I do that, he&#8217;s just going to bluff-shove back at me even if I do have him beat.  And I won&#8217;t know.  So, umm, okay, I&#8217;ll check behind.  [river]  Oh, fabulous, crabulous day!  Now I&#8217;ll punish him for playing those garbage diamonds&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems to me that the way out of *that* dilemma is to shove the turn, right?  It&#8217;s either that or bet and fold.</p>
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