Comments on: Betting For Protection

By: Chris M

Chris M — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:46:48 +0000

FWF made a pretty good statement about ‘betting for protection’ that is mostly in line with what you’re saying here – something along the lines of.

“Giving up free cards is a fundamental error in poker, and shouldn’t be done unless the EV of checking can outweigh the EV lost by not betting.”

By: foucault

foucault — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:59:58 +0000

In reply to bruechips. If those guys were really check-folding whenever they missed their sets, then I'd agree with you. In my experience, they often would call a bet if you checked back the flop. Or, if they were also limp-calling suited connectors, they'd sometimes bluff the turn. I usually considered the chances of those things higher than the risk of letting them draw to a 2-outer. Also, if those guys start getting excited on a K-high flop, don't stack off to them.

By: foucault

foucault — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:06:56 +0000

In reply to Michael.

I just glanced at it, and it looks likes the only thing they screwed up was that I had J9s, not off-suit as they say in the first part of the HH. Is there something else I’m missing?

I do appreciate the heads up, though- I didn’t even know they’d published this!

By: Michael

Michael — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:16:44 +0000

Brokos,

Your latest CardPlayer article (http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/7935-poker-strategy-andrew-brokos-on-folding-out-draws) has a completely messed up hand history. Can you get them to fix it?

By: bruechips

bruechips — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:46:09 +0000

An example from the good old full ring days when people used to limp/call low pps in EP all the time: you raise their limp with AK, flop is K72r, it’s tempting to check back because you know they have a pocket pair and they’re never putting in any more money unless it’s 77 or 22, so you’re not getting called by worse, and you’re certainly not folding out better. The problem is, they’re never putting in more money on later streets without a set either, so by checking flop, you’re just letting them draw to a two-outter that will cost you a bunch of money. It took me getting stacked by turned sets against those guys a couple of times to realize that checking the flop is just letting them freeroll me.