Turn Float

Even with a double-gutter, I’m not getting the right immediate odds to call. I’m counting on implied odds both from value betting (or calling, as the case may be) an 8 and from bluffing 9’s and Q’s.

No-Limit Hold’em, $4.00 BB (9 handed) – Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP3 ($290.30)
CO ($416.70)
Hero (Button) ($1140.90)
SB ($825.50)
BB ($415.80)
UTG ($1163.10)
UTG+1 ($422)
MP1 ($279.10)
MP2 ($1092.30)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, 7
UTG bets $8, 5 folds, Hero calls $8, SB raises to $40, 2 folds, Hero calls $32

Flop: ($92) 10, J, K (2 players
SB bets $60, Hero calls $60

Turn: ($212) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $180, Hero calls $180

River: ($572) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $860.90 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $572 | Rake: $3

Results:
Hero didn’t show 9, 7 (nothing).
Outcome: Hero won $569

13 thoughts on “Turn Float

    • Yes, although Villain only had slightly less than pot in his stack, so this was not an overbet. When Villain’s range is clearly defined as a bluff-catcher on the river, moving all in is pretty much always the correct play. You do it with 100% of your value range and then with an appropriate number of bluffs, unless you have a good reason (ie exploitable read on your opponent) to do something otherwise.

  1. WOW.Great stuff.
    “Villain’s range is clearly defined as a bluff-catcher on the river”
    I see how bad are my hand reading skills.
    I will need time to digest this post.Thanks.

  2. When you have nuts or nothing and clearly defined oponnet range as a bluff-catcher on the river, moving all in is pretty much always the correct play.
    it looks like paradox but I have to agree.It is great and universal advice – (full ring,HU,cash,sng).
    UNLESSS you have a good reason (ie exploitable read on your opponent) to do something otherwise.

    • You really don’t need the nuts to make this play. You can do it with a value range that you believe is stronger than his bluff-catching range. FWIIW – In a spot like this, against an unknown, I think something like KJ, or maybe K10, would be the bottom of my range for shipping.

      • The nuts is buzzword.
        Original meaning is the best possible hand in a given situation.
        I see often the word nuts used to describe the hand which is stronger than your opponent holdings(strong assumption).
        Next example of buzzword will be a word bluff.
        Bluff used to be a word to describe a bet or raise with an inferior hand that has little or no chance of improving.
        Now I see bluff is used to describe any type of bet or raise which misrepresent your range.
        Poker vocabulary is very poor.
        It has so many buzzwords which make convey ideas very difficult.
        Yeah I believe the good vocabulary is the most underutilized tool to discuss poker strategy.

      • This is getting more into exploitive play, but I expect him to have a pretty narrow bluff-catching range. I don’t think I’d shove any two pair for value if he checks to me. I know I do in this example, but it’s quite difficult for me to have air on the river. I’d have to be turning a lot of one-pair hands (also rare given board texture) into bluffs before he can think about calling with weak two-pairs.

  3. You mention betting a Q river. Doesn’t that seem like suicide from a 3b SB? Isn’t it hard to rep any sort of decent A that gets to the river from the button after you flatted UTG?

    I can’t see the suits at work so if there was a flush draw you could be drawing that would skew my thinking.

    Like I can see bluffing the 9 since you could have QJs, KQs maybe.

    Like if you were in villains shoes and you(villain) checked a Q river and the button shoved would you call with 2 pair+ hands? Sucker straights? Or is that just burning money?

    • A Q on the river makes me the second nuts. It’s actually a tough decision if he shoves a Q river, but I think an easy enough value bet if he checks. The board was rainbow.

      Honestly it’s really hard to check a balanced range on this river, as Villain. He might actually be better off just shoving a lot of different stuff. Failing that, I’d say check-calling big sets and low straights is good.

  4. > I’m counting on implied odds both from value betting an 8 and from bluffing 9′s and Q’s.

    Did you mean bluffing 9’s and A’s, and calling+ 8’s and Q’s? … or if a Q hits and he ships, do you fold??

    • Whoops I meant value betting Q’s. I think I would call a Q river if he shoved, just because he could be merging (a rare spot where I’d endorse the use of that word) and also he shouldn’t have that many Ax hands that he’s betting strong on the turn and river.

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