Comments on: What’s Your Play? PCA Edition Results

By: Gareth

Gareth — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:53:06 +0000

Yeah I agree Eric him checking flop with KQ and betting it on the river is probably something that never happens.

Interesting spot really if he bets and V2 folds. In game I am certain I would break my Ivey face and go with the `confused-durrr` not to be confused with blue steel of course.

By: Eric

Eric — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:34:49 +0000

I’m not shocked to see a rec player check(& check/call) trips and/or a full house on the turn despite 2 clubs.QQ/88/66…of course unlikely holdings but so is V1 not betting flop with KQ and then value betting river is just as unlikely imo.

By: Gareth

Gareth — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:17:11 +0000

I think I got the scenario names mixed up in my answer, but that isn’t too important since I said I would call for all of them!

You can spot a really common mistake I make in suggesting the V1 bet, V2 calls is an overcall from our end. First I assumed that V2 would have a raising range versus V1’s bet of all better, which is just a big assumption I think. But more importantly, I suggested it implausible for V2 to not fold an 8x on the turn with a bet and a call in front of him especially in combination of the fact that he didn’t bet an 8x on the flop. Can you spot the mistake? I’m projecting my own thought process onto villain’s behaviour. Just because I would bet an 8x often on the flop, just because I would fold an 8x without much hopes of improving on the turn, and just because I would raise an 8x on the river, doesn`t mean he will.

While perhaps V1 is not frustrated, he is also not skilled (presumably… always making presumptions this one). So in the scenario it goes V1 bet, V2 fold, for V1 to have better than us he has to have (no exceptions) slowplayed a monster on a very wet turn multi way. So bluffing with AJcc AKcc makes a lot of sense for him on the river, but betting JJ as a blocking bet (ie for no reason at all) is definitely going to be in his repertoire. So I think if you say V1 bets V2 folds is a fold you have to come up with a narrative for how he could have a range with better hands here (and I`m not creative enough to do so).

By: Shawn

Shawn — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:18:52 +0000

Being article orientated(results orientated) I really like my suggestion of 1500 to 2500 fold to a raise of V2.

If he’s not raising J8s on the end I don’t think he’s raising at all. Again as it was noted his most likely holdings are going to be 8x, 6x or busted draws. We’ve sort of pegged him for folding all of his 6x, draws so that only leaves 8x if he’s calling or raising on the end.

Figuring that we have V1 beat (which we were pretty sure about) we save our selves 1500 to 1000 chips when V2 does have 8x and we sometimes pickup an extra 1500 – 2500 when we get V1 to call with a weaker holding and V2 has a busted draw.

I wish I had more time to contribute but life is busy atm. Thanks again for your posts! I really enjoy them day in and day out even though I can’t comment on each of them.