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Keone Young, prolific actor and poker player, was our guest on Episode 50. Due to some technical difficulties, part of our first interview with him was unusable, and we ended up recording a new interview that differed in many ways from the first. A lot of good material was left on the cutting room floor along the way, so we’re now bringing you some of our favorite unused moments from that original interview.
All that, plus strategy discussion of when to play for stacks in a sidepot. For most poker strategy, be sure to check out the articles Nater and Andrew will be posting, starting with Nate’s Seven Attention Targets for Beginning Poker Players, on the new Learn.PokerNews.Com site brought to you by Martin Harris.
Timestamps
0:30 Hello and welcome
11:28 Strategy: Stacking Off in a Sidepot
36:03 Keone Young
Wow what a surprise to find this. The poker coach was not Barry Shulman but Barry Tannenbaum. A great human being as well as coach. He wrote some fine books about cash game and limit poker. He was a columnist at Card Player and passed in 2011. A great loss to the poker community.
Thanks guys!
And, I dont think Barry Shulman is deceased yet either.
0:30-0:40 = my new ringtone
30:00 Interesting way to determine the effective pot that I’ve never heard before. Do you guys always do this when there is an all in player?
I’d probably just shove this AKo preflop because the pot is over 20% of my stack and my hand isn’t likely to be a lock post flop.
As played, I would definitely (and i guess incorrectly) shove the flop for a couple of reasons.
A. I am more concerned about protecting my equity in this large pot than I am about protecting my stack or eeking out more value from hands that may bluff with decent equity. B. I am probably calling a shove anyway.
C. If they are getting it in with a pair plus draw hand, I’d rather them call it off for a big bet than forcing me to call off.
By betting small or checking, you end up having to sigh call in spots like this a lot. The sigh half of that is basically villain’s potential FE, which may be small but it counts for something. I’d rather have that on my side.
42:00 I had that same chain of command experience that you had with Larry David when I was working at a seafood place and the owner came in one day. It is kind of weird when people give off this holier than thou attitude. That’s why I love poker. Some of us Regular Joes got a chance to play with Jerry Buss. Where else would I even see him, much less talk to him directly? I understand that being super famous can be annoying and that these people have a need for a filter, but hopefully they at least try to differentiate fans from fanatics from fantastic people in there own right. I’m glad you had the balls to tell Larry to kiss your ass in so many words. I’d much rather meet you than him after hearing this.
My favorite “shoot the shit” question to ask stone faced people is “Do you stand up or just lift a cheek to wipe?” It’s a great icebreaker at poker tables and reminds everyone that we all have humanity and humor in common. I cant wait to hit Phil Ivey with that one.
*BTW, so far I have found that most Canadians lift a cheek and most Southerners break contact with the seat completely.
Actually Larry turned out to be a real gentleman as soon as he found out I took my work seriously. Its the nature of the business. I think the peripheral have a tendency to protect their core. Every one knows Larry made a big score selling off his residual rights to Seinfeld somewhere in the hundreds of millions. There are all kinds of crazies attracted to the biz and glam you can never tell. Some of my pals who made it big I don’t even send xmas cards to anymore as they think its some kind of “bite”.
Heres a funny Seinfeld story. I get called in to an audition for an episode of Seinfeld. I had done a bunch of 30 minute sitcoms and really wasn’t gaga about all of this. It was just another gig. I come in and Larry is there with Jerry. Along with 4 other guys who are dressed like Jer and look like they all went to the same barber. They are yucking it up and laughing all over the place and don’t even look in my direction. They quiet down and finally turn to me. I say “Wow looks like Im the only non-white person in the room again…. They all clam up. Jerry immediately looks down on the ground. They other guys are in a horror. Larry finaly reads the scene with me and then squeaks out a thhankkk you. I get up and smile and walk out. I was done. Dead meat. Like the walking dead. I knew I wasn’t going to be asked back.
Couple of years later I was busting Larrys balls on Curb. That’s how this business works. I always said what was on my mind. I always knew skill and tenacity would end out on top. Jerry never looked up. I always thought he was a clever comedian but at that moment he was just at a loss of words.
Another great episode. Thanks Keone. Whenever you are ready, there is a podcast/videocast show waiting for you and your storytelling. Young’s Hollywood. Book it.
I was one of those asking for outtakes, so thanks guys. Very enjoyable. I always thought Nate’s velvety baritone was automatic. Interesting to learn he has to hit the garbage disposal and clear the pipes once in a while.
A simple view of the strategy hand is to base your play on your self-assessment of one’s post-flop play. Shoving gets called only by a limited number of premium hands. Calling allows a lot more hands to come along. If you are confident you can make good post-flop decisions on Ace high boards, or boards where you miss, go ahead and flat pre-flop. Otherwise, ship it.
Carlos, you really do shine when you let that personality loose. As to your question, I was born in the north, raised in the south. I traditionally just lifted a cheek, but a separated shoulder limited my reach, so now I stand (preferable to becoming ambidextrous).
people who don’t stand should be excused from polite society
Wait hold up here a minute… This just might be the most important TPP comment thread since you asked Nate to provide stool samples.
PEOPLE ACTUALLY STAND UP TO WIPE????
I am refusing to believe this. Carlos’s question is funny either way. But who in their right mind would ever stand up to wipe? I mean, if aligning my post-poop strategies with Gareth would improve my post-flop skills then maybe it’s worth it. Otherwise, I’m just fine being excused from polite society!
Apparently the slovenly shortcuts of the modern American knows no bounds! That you would prolong your state of relaxation at the expense of an errand in hygiene properly executed…
In some countries there are entire apparatuses (which require standing to reach) for the express purpose of the task.
I know this much, Donald Draper would stand, proudly and self-assured.
Really great to hear the out-takes from Keone. I was a theater major in college for a while at a school (UMass Amherst) that always made sure that were casting opportunities for all races (through play selection), and thanks to Keone for laying the groundwork for this to be possible.
I hear ai ya all the time at home from my in-laws. There is a rap song about it on youtube, search on “AIYA! – Jin feat. Toestah” or qhR27kTWiso