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		By: foucault		</title>
		<link>https://www.thinkingpoker.net/2010/08/thin-value-bet-in-weird-spot/#comment-6028</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 04:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thinkingpoker.net/2010/08/thin-value-bet-in-weird-spot/#comment-6023&quot;&gt;Lin Sherman&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually you spoke for me quite well :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thinkingpoker.net/2010/08/thin-value-bet-in-weird-spot/#comment-6023">Lin Sherman</a>.</p>
<p>Actually you spoke for me quite well 🙂</p>
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		By: foucault		</title>
		<link>https://www.thinkingpoker.net/2010/08/thin-value-bet-in-weird-spot/#comment-6027</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 04:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thinkingpoker.net/2010/08/thin-value-bet-in-weird-spot/#comment-6022&quot;&gt;Lin Sherman&lt;/a&gt;.

I guess I expected him to bet the river with AK. Plus, as you mention, I think betting might be OK even knowing he plays AK like this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thinkingpoker.net/2010/08/thin-value-bet-in-weird-spot/#comment-6022">Lin Sherman</a>.</p>
<p>I guess I expected him to bet the river with AK. Plus, as you mention, I think betting might be OK even knowing he plays AK like this.</p>
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		By: foucault		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 04:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thinkingpoker.net/2010/08/thin-value-bet-in-weird-spot/#comment-6003&quot;&gt;Chris M&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, flop is close, but he&#039;s got position on at least one of us, there&#039;s a fair chance the turn checks around, and his AK &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; be good, in which case he has one of us dominated. I don&#039;t think this would be a bad line with TT and JJ, and I certainly don&#039;t know for sure that this player isn&#039;t capable of it, but I would (and did) bet against it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thinkingpoker.net/2010/08/thin-value-bet-in-weird-spot/#comment-6003">Chris M</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, flop is close, but he&#8217;s got position on at least one of us, there&#8217;s a fair chance the turn checks around, and his AK <em>could</em> be good, in which case he has one of us dominated. I don&#8217;t think this would be a bad line with TT and JJ, and I certainly don&#8217;t know for sure that this player isn&#8217;t capable of it, but I would (and did) bet against it.</p>
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		By: Lin Sherman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thinkingpoker.net/2010/08/thin-value-bet-in-weird-spot/#comment-5998&quot;&gt;jordan&lt;/a&gt;.

I can&#039;t speak for Andrew, who might have a different read on this opponent, but given the facts as stated, UTG1 might well have a bluff-beater like AQ or AJ, or even 88 or 87s, in which case he bet the turn trying to rep AK or maybe KQ.

From UTG1&#039;s point of view, Andrew is unlikely to have an overpair because he didn&#039;t 3-bet pre. That tends to polarize Andrew&#039;s range and makes it very hard to fold a bluff-beater.

This assumes UTG1 would play those hands the way he did, but as Andrew made one of his irresistably sexy underbets on the flop, it&#039;s not at all unreasonable to think UTG1 would float a loose call, especially if he has a big diamond.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thinkingpoker.net/2010/08/thin-value-bet-in-weird-spot/#comment-5998">jordan</a>.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for Andrew, who might have a different read on this opponent, but given the facts as stated, UTG1 might well have a bluff-beater like AQ or AJ, or even 88 or 87s, in which case he bet the turn trying to rep AK or maybe KQ.</p>
<p>From UTG1&#8217;s point of view, Andrew is unlikely to have an overpair because he didn&#8217;t 3-bet pre. That tends to polarize Andrew&#8217;s range and makes it very hard to fold a bluff-beater.</p>
<p>This assumes UTG1 would play those hands the way he did, but as Andrew made one of his irresistably sexy underbets on the flop, it&#8217;s not at all unreasonable to think UTG1 would float a loose call, especially if he has a big diamond.</p>
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		By: Lin Sherman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Classic donk-with-AK betting pattern, especially given (a) he raised from EP in a nine-hander, and (b) $17 to call in a $69 pot looks like a value meal to most fish.

That doesn&#039;t mean he has AK or that you shouldn&#039;t v-bet, but in the absence of any useful information about this opponent, I think I&#039;d have given him more credit for AK than you did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Classic donk-with-AK betting pattern, especially given (a) he raised from EP in a nine-hander, and (b) $17 to call in a $69 pot looks like a value meal to most fish.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean he has AK or that you shouldn&#8217;t v-bet, but in the absence of any useful information about this opponent, I think I&#8217;d have given him more credit for AK than you did.</p>
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		By: Chris M		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m surprised to hear that you like his flop c/c after the SB calls.  Although unlikely drawing dead, his diamond outs are not clean, and he has RIO on Ax hands vs A6 and A7 which might flat sb some %.  HU it seems justifiable, 3-way, i&#039;m not a fan.  He also has no BD outs.

River seems okay, semi thin.  I can see him checking here w/ TT and JJ some % not wanting to get raised in a multi-way pot, so I wouldn&#039;t say he never has a hand you don&#039;t beat.

Obv betting 99 makes you harder to play against.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised to hear that you like his flop c/c after the SB calls.  Although unlikely drawing dead, his diamond outs are not clean, and he has RIO on Ax hands vs A6 and A7 which might flat sb some %.  HU it seems justifiable, 3-way, i&#8217;m not a fan.  He also has no BD outs.</p>
<p>River seems okay, semi thin.  I can see him checking here w/ TT and JJ some % not wanting to get raised in a multi-way pot, so I wouldn&#8217;t say he never has a hand you don&#8217;t beat.</p>
<p>Obv betting 99 makes you harder to play against.</p>
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		By: jordan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[can you contruct a range for his flop/turn combo?

What were you looking to get called by? I guess it does look like he can have a weak TP, although he may not have mmany of those in his UTG1 opening range.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can you contruct a range for his flop/turn combo?</p>
<p>What were you looking to get called by? I guess it does look like he can have a weak TP, although he may not have mmany of those in his UTG1 opening range.</p>
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