A lot of players make too much of the idea that when you have a draw that you’re willing to get all in with, you’d prefer to make the final bet yourself. This is true when better hands will fold, but often people make huge shoves that make it pretty transparent they are on a draw, in which case no one folds anything to them. I prefer to make more reasonable raises with a balanced raise, which I think is generally better. Of course, if you accidentally convince someone that they can shove on you with a better hand that would have folded to a shove, then you’re going to wish you’d just shoved yourself.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold’em, $10.00 BB (2 handed) – Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (SB) ($2218)
BB ($1135.80)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q♦, K♠
Hero bets $30, BB raises to $110, Hero calls $80
Flop: ($220) J♠, 10♣, 6♠ (2 players)
BB bets $150, Hero raises to $408, BB raises to $1025.80 (All-In), Hero calls $617.80
Turn: ($2271.60) 4♠ (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($2271.60) K♣ (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $2271.60 | Rake: $0.50
Results:
Hero had Q♦, K♠ (one pair, Kings).
BB had 3♥, A♠ (high card, Ace).
Outcome: Hero won $2271.10
I guess i’m a little confused here, this seems to me like a counter-example to your point. This is specifically why we want the right of last initiative – so better draws actually fold.
A high is ahead of us on this flop.
Also, the converter shows a 5 spade board but hero won – and there are 2 Ks.
Sorry guess I was unclear, I was using this hand as an example of a spot where I would have been better off shoving my draw rather than raise-calling it. Think we’re in agreement on that.
Look closely: you’re confusing clubs and spades. The river was the Kc, and my pair of Kings was good.
Looks like a spade on my puter, but the graphics are so tiny they may not be rendering correctly.
pokerstove has it at 47.54% vs 52.56%- essentially a coinflip.
There’s money in the pot as well, though, and when he folds, he sacrifices a 53% share of that as well. We have a definite preference towards getting him to fold Ace-high here.
What are your thoughts on flatting this flop – given that when we raise here its like JT, sets, flushes, or draws?
I’m not sure if he folds the bare As to a shove. He might fold something like As2, but anything with a gutty isn’t folding as well.
This seems like a decent spot to actually keep our range wider given that all the cards he bluffs probably improve us, and we might not have FE vs better draws. We do fold out A high no draw hands, but we can certainly get those to fold later.
The problem is the resolution. You need to be at 14 point type or larger. Hold down CTRL on your keyboard and use the wheel on your mouse and it will make it larger.