PokerStars No-Limit Hold’em, $6.00 BB (9 handed) – Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG+1 ($600)
MP1 ($600.10)
MP2 ($309.35)
MP3 ($1521.45)
CO ($1167.20)
Hero (Button) ($618)
SB ($663)
BB ($600)
UTG ($444)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A
, 10
5 folds, CO bets $15, Hero calls $15, 2 folds
Flop: ($39) 3
, Q, 5 (2 players)
CO bets $24, Hero calls $24
Turn: ($87) K (2 players)
CO bets $60, Hero calls $60
River: ($207) 7
(2 players)
CO bets $138, Hero raises to $519 (All-In), 1 fold
Total pot: $483 | Rake: $3
Results:
Hero didn’t show A, 10 (nothing).
Outcome: $483 returned to Hero
Obviously these flop and turn calls are pretty thin. I do think that if he checks the river I can showdown the best hand a fair bit of the time. The fact that I can occasionally pull off something like this helps to justify the earlier calls. It’s a good time to bluff when I have the bottom of range and the only draw on the flop got there. I think I can rep not just a straight but also 33 and 55. It’s a narrow range, but I don’t think he expects me to bluff often in this spot, either.
I would like to see in your book chapter about shoving the river.
You mention pros and cons of your bluff river shove.
Pro:
1. bottom range
2.completed draw
3. meta-game aspect
4. surprise factor
Cons:
– narrow range you rep.
I am surprised more that CO because I do not see any analysis of “board” dynamics,CO betting lines,CO range,CO profile.
In this particular case before you shove. You and CO have wide range.
Turn Kh and 7s are not bricks but CO “pretends” he does not care and fires precisely ~60% pot size bet.Turn and river card very likely change equity balance for middle , bottom,top of ranges.OK.Forget about my musing.
Assuming the same betting lines,turn and river card.
The Flop is 3c Qh 7h versus old one(3c Qh 5d).
Now you can definitely represent much wider range(boats,flushes,str8) for your shove.
The CO persistence looks funny and bluffy with equity “rollercaster” board.
But are you going to shove?.
In that case he’d actually have more nutted hands in his range, making it a less good spot to shove as a bluff. Basically I think on a board like that he’d be more polarized, so while I’d probably fold the river, my other option would be to call, or maybe shove but for a different reason. On the actual board, I think Villain’s range is mostly one-pair type stuff that is “thin” value betting, and I shove to represent a very wide and narrow range to force him off of hands he was betting for value. In your hypothetical, if I shoved, it would be to get him off of hands where he was bluffing with worse. In that case, though, min-raising might actually be enough to accomplish that 🙂
Your sentence “I shove to represent a very wide and narrow range” gave me much deeper understanding the concept.
I have just started to conceptualize shove applications.
I struggled with the concept.
I had my own simplistic “general HU river shove theory”.
The pillar of my theory was that good shove is shove which open wide shover range vs opponent ranges(thin value betting and marginal calls).The wider the better.
Shoves which narrow range are “bad” shoves.Why?
You are more “transparent”. You facilitate making good decision “call-fold”.
The theory had a couple assumptions to differentiate between flop,turn,river polarization and to reflect HH,50BB context.THANK YOU.
lol sicko.
I will say though, shoving 33 here is kind-of thin if you’re expecting him to b/f this river with AA, AK.
cool play though, esp if you have a clean image.
Ever read something and feel your right on the cusp of a new level of understanding, only to have it fall apart like Flint Marko in the first few minutes of being Sandman?
What is it specifically about that board and your lines that says “I probably don’t bluff in this spot too often?”
In addition to being aware of my opponent’s range, I try to always be aware of my own range (both actual and what I think my opponent’s perception of my range is). In this spot, it’s very difficult for me to get to the river without a pair, given that I’ve called two bets and the only possible draw got there. Thus, A-high is the very bottom of my range, which makes it a good bluffing candidate.