Too Eager to Shove My Wrap

In NLHE, I pretty much always choose to call rather than re-raise-get-it-in when I have position and suspect some sort of coinflip situation (overs vs. pair pre-flop, top pair vs. big draw on the flop, etc.). I figure that between position and superior skill, I ought to be able to do better than the 50-50 or 54-46 or whatever I’d have by getting the money in right away.

I imagine the same principle applies in PLO, but because I don’t have confidence in my hand-reading and other skills, I probably get it in on a flip too often when I ought to be able to take better advantage of my position to play later streets.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($208.45)
SB ($215.35)
BB ($236.50)
UTG ($938.95)
Hero ($240.30)
CO ($121.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6d, 8c, 4c, 7s.
1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, SB calls $6, 1 fold.

Flop: ($16) Ad, 3c, 5h (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12, SB raises to $28, Hero raises to $99.2, SB raises to $208.35, Hero calls $109.15.

Turn: ($432.70) Jd (2 players)

River: ($432.70) Th (2 players)

Final Pot: $432.70

Results in white below:

SB has Ah Ac Jh 3h (three of a kind, aces).
Hero has 6d 8c 4c 7s (high card, ace).
Outcome: SB wins $432.70.

Not that I coach PLO, but if one of my students came to me with a problem like this, I’d tell him, “Just start making the calls and doing your best to play position. Even if it’s slightly -EV for you right now, forcing yourself to figure it out is how you’ll get better.” Guess I ought to take my own advice.

8 thoughts on “Too Eager to Shove My Wrap”

  1. I am not coach but a beginner in HU Omaha.
    Honestly after OOP SB raise I did not define the flop situation as coin flip for 6 handed Omaha.
    I define situation as very specific one.Rainbow board helps me with that.
    My wrap aganst his set.So basically my flop pot equity is around ~40%.
    The turn is not very likely to create an opportunity (more than 60% equity) so I will be “lucky” to make “good” turn decision.

    • Thanks.I checked your link.
      Chris I am PLO beginner do you know another PLO tools for Omaha?
      I am interested in a simulation tools which will accept different set of input parameters.

      Input parameters:my hand,opponnet range,flop board, expected turn equity.
      Output: The probality(and\or combination of turn cards) for a turn card to change delta equity.
      Example: I have ~40% flop equity.I want to know the probality that a turn card change my equity >60%.
      Well I am sure the probality will be less that my flop pot equity.But I am interested in exact number

      • Hi Andy,

        The only tools I know of are propokertools and Omaha Manager for a HUD.

        In terms of the question you are asking, I don’t think you can calculate the equity changes on a random turn card (just tested), but you can input various turn cards to see how your equity does change.

        So, say you have 3c4cXX and you are wondering how your equity changes vs AAxx on 9c7c3s on various turns, you could run a few simulations changing the turn card to get various results.

        Most I think of what you’re asking would be just learning to count your outs. If you think you have 18 outs to improve vs AA (pair + gutshot + fd + 3 live side cards), you can estimate the turn will improve your hand ~40% of the time (18 live cards x 2)

        In the actual example if you ran the equity calc you’d realize your a favorite over a naked AA.

        • Chris they did it.They have the tool.
          One feature is very cool.They call this psql.I can ask any poker question.Download or use web.
          Paste this.
          select count(equity(mh, turn) > 0.6) as luckyturn
          from game=”omahahi” , board=”Ad3c5h”
          , mh=”6d8c4c7s” , villain=”AA72,5567,A5JsTs”
          I imagine this will answer my question.

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